Volvo S80 A performance sedan that offers top notch luxury, outstanding handling and so much more.

75ohm's 2000 S80 Timing Belt replacement instructions

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #21  
Old 09-28-2010, 10:27 PM
one norse's Avatar
Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by volvoloco49
hello, im new here and new to this i have a 2001 s80 turbo and I am replacing the timing belt , i am confused about the timing marks i cant figure out if the marks on the sprockets are the white marks or the thin marks, help pls.

I'm not sure what you mean by the white marks, but on the upper sprockets there are small grooves cut into the face near the edge of the sprocket, which show up just off the end of the blue lines I have drawn in the pictures. The groves are cut along a radius from the center of the motor. These timing marks need to line up with the notches in the timing belt cover.

On the crankshaft pulley, the mark you can see from the top of the car is a molded ridge which lines up with a 'nub' on the face of the bearing carrier, both are pointed out on the photos with blue lines which end near the marks in question.
 

Last edited by one norse; 09-28-2010 at 10:46 PM.
  #22  
Old 09-28-2010, 10:36 PM
one norse's Avatar
Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by volvoloco49
hey quick question is that a 2.8 turbo ive got a 2001 and these pics look alot like my engine, the pics are good thanks
The pictures were taken of a 2004 2.9L 6 cylinder non-turbo, but the photos in the Haynes manual of the 5 cylinder 2.5L were very similar, and I expect that your 2.8L I-6 would be too.
 
  #23  
Old 09-28-2010, 10:41 PM
one norse's Avatar
Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default An update on the belt tensioner socket

It is indeed a T60 Torx hole on the accessory belt tensioner, but the 1/2" drive socket I got plus the thickness of my breaker bar is too long to fit the space, so the quest continues.

I keep searching for the perfect tool,
Then later I look in the mirror,
Then I search for the tool,
Then I look in the mirror
...
 
  #24  
Old 09-29-2010, 06:14 AM
bw77's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Albany, NY
Posts: 92
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by one norse
It is indeed a T60 Torx hole on the accessory belt tensioner, but the 1/2" drive socket I got plus the thickness of my breaker bar is too long to fit the space, so the quest continues.
A two piece T60 torx socket might work. I have a Craftsman T60 socket, you need a tiny allen wrench to loosen the set screw on the side and remove the torx bit from the socket. Then you can put a 1/2" box wrench on the bit to turn it.
 
Attached Thumbnails  75ohm's 2000 S80 Timing Belt replacement instructions-t2.jpg    75ohm's 2000 S80 Timing Belt replacement instructions-t1.jpg  
  #25  
Old 10-08-2010, 09:17 AM
Kendin's Avatar
Junior Member
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default 99 s80

I'm tackling this project tomorrow in my driveway, and found your post to be quite helpful. I have a question about the VVT cam... I've heard there is no return spring on the VVT and that it is easy to dislodge. Is this simply referring to the cam sprocket being easy to turn without the load of the belt on it, or does this mean the Cam itself is prone to pulling out beyond where the seal is effective?

Thanks,
Ken
 
  #26  
Old 10-09-2010, 11:00 PM
one norse's Avatar
Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by bw77
A two piece T60 torx socket might work. I have a Craftsman T60 socket, you need a tiny allen wrench to loosen the set screw on the side and remove the torx bit from the socket. Then you can put a 1/2" box wrench on the bit to turn it.
That looks perfect! I'll check one out the next time I'm at sears.
 
  #27  
Old 10-09-2010, 11:02 PM
one norse's Avatar
Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Kendin
I'm tackling this project tomorrow in my driveway, and found your post to be quite helpful. I have a question about the VVT cam... I've heard there is no return spring on the VVT and that it is easy to dislodge. Is this simply referring to the cam sprocket being easy to turn without the load of the belt on it, or does this mean the Cam itself is prone to pulling out beyond where the seal is effective?

Thanks,
Ken
I believe it is referring to the cam being easy to turn, possibly messing up the VVT setting.
 
  #28  
Old 10-10-2010, 08:08 AM
one norse's Avatar
Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Here's another drawing of the timing marks:



I found that the drawing for the crankshaft pulley is not very helpful. The marks you need to see on the pulley itself would be hidden in this view. I spent too much time trying to spot the little black dash between the teeth only to find out after I removed the pulley that it isn't really there. The camshaft marks are quite clear on the drawing.
 

Last edited by one norse; 10-10-2010 at 08:12 AM.
  #29  
Old 03-10-2011, 08:40 AM
TurnaWrench's Avatar
Junior Member
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Engine Stabilizer Brace

Quick Question: What is the purpose of removing the engine stabilizer brace (strut bar) when performing a timing belt change. This was a step in the VADIS instructions.
Thanks
 
  #30  
Old 03-10-2011, 09:34 AM
75ohm's Avatar
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location:
Posts: 311
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by TurnaWrench
Quick Question: What is the purpose of removing the engine stabilizer brace (strut bar) when performing a timing belt change. This was a step in the VADIS instructions.
Thanks
Possibly for the cam tool?
 
  #31  
Old 03-10-2011, 10:27 AM
TurnaWrench's Avatar
Junior Member
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 75ohm
Possibly for the cam tool?
Okay, it sounds like removing it would allow more clearance for special tools but it is not neccessary.
 
  #32  
Old 03-10-2011, 04:44 PM
75ohm's Avatar
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location:
Posts: 311
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

That's what I'm thinking...
 
  #33  
Old 04-28-2011, 12:24 AM
DEPNER's Avatar
Junior Member
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I read through your timing belt instructions and I am trying to line up all the tools needed . What type of puller will I need to remove the accy. crank pulley.
 
  #34  
Old 05-03-2011, 06:53 AM
one norse's Avatar
Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by DEPNER
I read through your timing belt instructions and I am trying to line up all the tools needed . What type of puller will I need to remove the accy. crank pulley.
I used a fairly ordinary three-jaw gear puller, just like this one.
 
  #35  
Old 05-23-2011, 10:53 PM
MyBigS80's Avatar
Junior Member
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Snowbelt
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I'm doing a complete timing belt, tensioner, idler, water pump etc. job on my 2004 S80 2.9L. The part I can't seem to figure out is how to get the water pump out from between the engine and chassis (stupid, I know). I just can't seem to find the right rubix cube moves to get it out. I thought I could get more room by taking the timing gear off the crank, but I can't get it off the end of the crank. I loosened it with a puller, but it won't clear the chassis to come off the end of the shaft. Has anyone done this on this particular vehicle? Thanks.
 
  #36  
Old 05-25-2011, 07:46 PM
tech's Avatar
Administrator
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Orlando, Florida
Posts: 36,351
Likes: 0
Received 40 Likes on 38 Posts
Default

It is a major pain. One thing you can do is remove the engine mount on the right side and raise to lower the motor.
 
  #37  
Old 05-26-2011, 10:25 AM
one norse's Avatar
Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by MyBigS80
I'm doing a complete timing belt, tensioner, idler, water pump etc. job on my 2004 S80 2.9L. [...] Has anyone done this on this particular vehicle? Thanks.
That's exactly what I did on the same year/model/engine. I had enough clearance, though not by much. Even though it seems like a hack job, you could always remove a little of the inner fender with a grinder or bend it back with a big pliers, or ... to gain a little more clearance.
 
  #38  
Old 05-27-2011, 10:19 AM
MyBigS80's Avatar
Junior Member
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Snowbelt
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by tech
It is a major pain. One thing you can do is remove the engine mount on the right side and raise to lower the motor.
Shoot, I didn't think of removing a motor mount. I ended up doing something I HATE to do. I bent the very lower edge of the chassis metal out just a little bit (about 1/8"). Just enough to get the timing belt pulley to slide off the crank. After doing that, the water pump wasn't too bad to wriggle out of there.

Speaking of water pumps, what a nightmare. I first bought a new GMB (P/N 190-1070), and the toothed pulley ended up being too narrow. The original Aisin part had a pulley that was 30mm wide, the timing belt is 27mm wide, the pulley on the new GMB pump was 25mm wide - do the math. I then went to get a Tru Flow pump from NAPA (Gates part). That pump had a 30mm wide pulley, but the pulley had a significantly larger diameter. How do they sell this stuff! Long story short, I ended up ordering an Aisin pump from FCP - it had better be right.
 

Last edited by MyBigS80; 05-27-2011 at 11:42 AM.
  #39  
Old 06-11-2011, 06:43 AM
MyBigS80's Avatar
Junior Member
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Snowbelt
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

OK, got the new Aisin water pump and the pulley was correct. Got it installed - I even got my 1/4" drive torque wrench in there and torqued it to spec.

Now... Yes, I ended up messing up the intake cam position. Don't ask - yes, I know better. Anyway, when you pull the cam position sensor housing to check the orientation of the slot in the end of the cam, all you see is the sensor trigger doohicky (appropriate name considering the shape) attached to the end of the cam. I can't find in VADIS where it covers removing this part and therefore have no torque spec for replacing it. Does anyone know how to positively check the cam position just by looking at the sensor trigger orientation? Yeah, I screwed up, but maybe we can all learn more about our cars from this.

 

Last edited by MyBigS80; 06-11-2011 at 07:21 AM.
  #40  
Old 06-11-2011, 08:51 AM
dcm0123's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 112
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Exclamation Do timing marks agree in service publications?

There are multiple publications from many sources "including service manuals" telling how to set the pulleys and it appears they do not agree.

I have seen the same drawing below from other sources and found it to conflict with the pictures which One Norse attached to this thread on 8/29/10 at 8:01PM (also shown below).

Note in the "drawing" below, the crank shaft timing mark is between 2 teeth. When I did mine, I never found a mark between 2 teeth.

Note in the "actual picture" which One Norse sent, the timing mark is on top of the tooth (not between 2 teeth). I attached the picture below.

If you line the mark on the engine to the space between the 2 teeth, at the best your timing will be off by 1/2 a tooth.

When I do this again, I will line up the two cam pulleys with the plastic cover then put a matching mark on the crank pulley and engine to locate the crank shaft pulley. I would also get an inspection mirror and see if I can find the timing mark on the back of the pulley to verify it lines up with the "little protrusion at the rib corner" as he shown in the engine photo. As he noted, this protrusion is very hard to see.

Originally Posted by one norse
Here's another drawing of the timing marks:



I found that the drawing for the crankshaft pulley is not very helpful. The marks you need to see on the pulley itself would be hidden in this view. I spent too much time trying to spot the little black dash between the teeth only to find out after I removed the pulley that it isn't really there. The camshaft marks are quite clear on the drawing.
 
Attached Thumbnails  75ohm's 2000 S80 Timing Belt replacement instructions-crank-pulley.jpg  

Last edited by dcm0123; 06-11-2011 at 09:20 AM.


Quick Reply: 75ohm's 2000 S80 Timing Belt replacement instructions



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:53 PM.